Originally by: Maximillian Pele

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I assume that the PvP situation in MMORGs now is so sad that anything that looks like PvP is lapped up.

I come from a online wargaming background. Hence I am used to epic battles, cunning tactics, disasters, and battlefields littered with the dead.

I also play poker for entertainment, and trust me when I say that having a great hand in poker when someone else has a greater hand gets you used to loss and pain.

PvP in EvE is a non-event: while I am sure that battles that last more than a couple of minutes and that don't revolve around gate camping or other tactics that exploit EvE's generally poor design exist, I am yet to see much evidence.

I was sold on EvE being a game where players co-operated with each other to defeat other groups of players in epic space battles. That EvE doesn't exist.

Instead it all - send a scout alt to check for gate camps, exploit DT, snipe, gank, log off, dock for hours, safe spot if anyone enters local, spend hours book marking, etc.

I don't mind grind, but if I am going to spends months getting the skills and ISK to engage in space battles I want those battles to be more than F1, F2, F3, F.... oh the battle is over. Or sit there like a brick ECMed till you die.

Our plan for going into 0.0 was to put together a fleet of combat ships with a couple of cloaked haulers carrying spare ammo. The combat ships would rat or PvP until destroyed, and the haulers would try to make it back to empire with hopefully enough loot to fund the next raid.

Sounded like fun at first. More likely to be boredom followed by a 2 minute battle.

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